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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Quaintly Tuqiri</title>
		<link>http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/#comment-48183</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaintly Tuqiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG I just read your post on the forums and came over here. The same thing happened to me, roughly about the same time as you (early February) -- except that I'm not a paying member. I had a basic account and one day I couldn't log in, when I went to secondlife.com it said "Account pending cancellation." I filed a support ticket and they restored my account, but my entire inventory, friends list &#38; groups list was gone. I filed another support ticket, because my av was still wearing clothes &#38; skin (textures, not prims) that were not in the inventory. Because she was wearing stuff that supposedly didn't exist, they decided to investigate even though I had only a basic account. But they couldn't restore the inventory, and when I asked them why my account had suddenly gone poof they said the cancellation hadn't been initiated on their end. Well, if it was not initiated by them, and not by me, then by who??? The ghost in the machine??

I'm still in SL -- I created a new account and started over -- but I live every day knowing that things could go poof just like that, and I don't trust it at all (especially since the past few weeks have been horrid -- lots of failed transactions, non-delivery of purchased goods, unable to TP, etc.). I go there for fun and because I have friends there, but I don't put my whole heart in it.
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG I just read your post on the forums and came over here. The same thing happened to me, roughly about the same time as you (early February) &#8212; except that I&#8217;m not a paying member. I had a basic account and one day I couldn&#8217;t log in, when I went to secondlife.com it said &#8220;Account pending cancellation.&#8221; I filed a support ticket and they restored my account, but my entire inventory, friends list &amp; groups list was gone. I filed another support ticket, because my av was still wearing clothes &amp; skin (textures, not prims) that were not in the inventory. Because she was wearing stuff that supposedly didn&#8217;t exist, they decided to investigate even though I had only a basic account. But they couldn&#8217;t restore the inventory, and when I asked them why my account had suddenly gone poof they said the cancellation hadn&#8217;t been initiated on their end. Well, if it was not initiated by them, and not by me, then by who??? The ghost in the machine??</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still in SL &#8212; I created a new account and started over &#8212; but I live every day knowing that things could go poof just like that, and I don&#8217;t trust it at all (especially since the past few weeks have been horrid &#8212; lots of failed transactions, non-delivery of purchased goods, unable to TP, etc.). I go there for fun and because I have friends there, but I don&#8217;t put my whole heart in it.</p>
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		<title>By: hypercubed</title>
		<link>http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/#comment-48176</link>
		<dc:creator>hypercubed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 01:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chaz,
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&lt;p&gt;Every time I spoke with the Linden staff I had extreme difficulty with their accent.&#160; They must outsource their support.&#160; I don't think outsourcing is always bad but it is usually a sign of declining customer support.
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&lt;p&gt;Sepharad,
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&lt;p&gt;I agree that suing may be the only way for them to take notice.&#160; If I had more time on my hands I would do that just to get then to change their practices.&#160; The situation is completely uncalled for.&#160; I get e-mails very often from EVE online asking me to reactivate my 2 year old account and reclaim all my asset.. why can't SL keep my assets for more than 30 days?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chaz,
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<p>Every time I spoke with the Linden staff I had extreme difficulty with their accent.&nbsp; They must outsource their support.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t think outsourcing is always bad but it is usually a sign of declining customer support.
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<p>Sepharad,
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<p>I agree that suing may be the only way for them to take notice.&nbsp; If I had more time on my hands I would do that just to get then to change their practices.&nbsp; The situation is completely uncalled for.&nbsp; I get e-mails very often from EVE online asking me to reactivate my 2 year old account and reclaim all my asset.. why can&#8217;t SL keep my assets for more than 30 days?</p>
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		<title>By: Sepharad</title>
		<link>http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/#comment-48175</link>
		<dc:creator>Sepharad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would happen if?&#160; well in my state if you sued them, they would be penalized for what is called a lockout. Then they would have to reimburse 2x the cost of the missing assets because they are responsible for storing your goods until disposal at a time set by law. They would have to give me back my same location and any action they took against me, if found to be retaliatory, would accrue fines. They would also have to pay court costs and a prevailing party penalty.

&#160;soooo, no Linden does not give a shit about you because they dont have to. Thats how America works. &lt;b&gt;Until you sue them they wont do shit&lt;/b&gt;. And yes until there is competition, they will persist in their bloodsucking behavior and shoddy workmanship, because it maximizes profit with the least effort.

By the way this mentality is why our economy is going down the toilet.
  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen if?&nbsp; well in my state if you sued them, they would be penalized for what is called a lockout. Then they would have to reimburse 2x the cost of the missing assets because they are responsible for storing your goods until disposal at a time set by law. They would have to give me back my same location and any action they took against me, if found to be retaliatory, would accrue fines. They would also have to pay court costs and a prevailing party penalty.</p>
<p>&nbsp;soooo, no Linden does not give a shit about you because they dont have to. Thats how America works. <b>Until you sue them they wont do shit</b>. And yes until there is competition, they will persist in their bloodsucking behavior and shoddy workmanship, because it maximizes profit with the least effort.</p>
<p>By the way this mentality is why our economy is going down the toilet.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaz Longstaff</title>
		<link>http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/#comment-48174</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaz Longstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the Linden support staff is just so overwhelmed with support issues that they can't cope, and so beaten and battered by customer complaints that they really couldn't care a rat's ass about customer service anymore.
  

I get the occasional good customer service, but for the most part, most of them seem like they're at the end of the rope and really should be in other jobs, cause their heart just ain't in this one anymore.

Catch is, wouldn't a fresh crew just get the same way in a few months?
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the Linden support staff is just so overwhelmed with support issues that they can&#8217;t cope, and so beaten and battered by customer complaints that they really couldn&#8217;t care a rat&#8217;s ass about customer service anymore.</p>
<p>I get the occasional good customer service, but for the most part, most of them seem like they&#8217;re at the end of the rope and really should be in other jobs, cause their heart just ain&#8217;t in this one anymore.</p>
<p>Catch is, wouldn&#8217;t a fresh crew just get the same way in a few months?</p>
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		<title>By: hypercubed</title>
		<link>http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/#comment-47928</link>
		<dc:creator>hypercubed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenLife.com doesn't appear to be a real site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenLife.com doesn&#8217;t appear to be a real site.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristin</title>
		<link>http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/#comment-47927</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the feeling had the same thing happen to me lost it all and in trying to get it back I got threatened with a ban. I wont ever put and cash into Sl ever again for any reason and I'm taking my company out of Sl an moving to OpenLife.com its one of the opengrids.
 
I really dont think the Sl top brass really care about its customers.. they just want them to shut up and pay ;-(
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the feeling had the same thing happen to me lost it all and in trying to get it back I got threatened with a ban. I wont ever put and cash into Sl ever again for any reason and I&#8217;m taking my company out of Sl an moving to OpenLife.com its one of the opengrids.</p>
<p>I really dont think the Sl top brass really care about its customers.. they just want them to shut up and pay ;-(</p>
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		<title>By: Kahni</title>
		<link>http://blog.hypercubed.com/archives/2008/02/11/watch-you-virtual-ass-ets/#comment-47921</link>
		<dc:creator>Kahni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's another reason many people cancel their premium account, use a basic account, and avoid the mainland entirely.  The only off-set is a tad touchier customer service issues, but it's not like they've been very good about it with paid customers anyway.

Get a basic account, get your Lindens from SLex (or even on the exchange, I'm on basic, and I still use the regular exchange), and then base all your land/dealings on private sims.

It may cost SLIGHTLY more (often times, not even), but the performance is better, the zoning is better, and if you get to know the person you're renting/buying from, you have very very few hassles.  I LOVE my land on the estates.  I rarely step foot on the mainland anymore, even to stop.

And I won't lose my inventory due to a missed "premium account" payment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s another reason many people cancel their premium account, use a basic account, and avoid the mainland entirely.  The only off-set is a tad touchier customer service issues, but it&#8217;s not like they&#8217;ve been very good about it with paid customers anyway.</p>
<p>Get a basic account, get your Lindens from SLex (or even on the exchange, I&#8217;m on basic, and I still use the regular exchange), and then base all your land/dealings on private sims.</p>
<p>It may cost SLIGHTLY more (often times, not even), but the performance is better, the zoning is better, and if you get to know the person you&#8217;re renting/buying from, you have very very few hassles.  I LOVE my land on the estates.  I rarely step foot on the mainland anymore, even to stop.</p>
<p>And I won&#8217;t lose my inventory due to a missed &#8220;premium account&#8221; payment.</p>
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		<title>By: hypercubed</title>
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		<dc:creator>hypercubed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for the comments Mal.&#160; I was very upset at first. &#160;I am calm at this point because it has been a couple of weeks. I've been trying this whole time to get this issue escalated in the support system but it appears that they are now simply ignoring me.&#160; I now have no intentions of ever being active in SL again.&#160; At this point I just want to raise the issue and hopefully SL will improve their system.&#160; 
&lt;/p&gt; 
&lt;p&gt;Like you said they should have a better backup systems.&#160; A couple years ago I played &lt;a title="" target="" href="http://www.eve-online.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;EVE online&lt;/a&gt; breifly.&#160; I still get e-mails form them saying that if I reactivate my account all my assets will be returned.&#160; I can't believe SL purges all inventory after only 1 month? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments Mal.&nbsp; I was very upset at first. &nbsp;I am calm at this point because it has been a couple of weeks. I&#8217;ve been trying this whole time to get this issue escalated in the support system but it appears that they are now simply ignoring me.&nbsp; I now have no intentions of ever being active in SL again.&nbsp; At this point I just want to raise the issue and hopefully SL will improve their system.&nbsp;
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<p>Like you said they should have a better backup systems.&nbsp; A couple years ago I played <a title="" target="" href="http://www.eve-online.com/" rel="nofollow" class="external">EVE online</a> breifly.&nbsp; I still get e-mails form them saying that if I reactivate my account all my assets will be returned.&nbsp; I can&#8217;t believe SL purges all inventory after only 1 month?</p>
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		<title>By: Mal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Quibius

Thank you very much for sharing this incredulous event with us although I'm amazed you can sound so calm and rational about it.
  

There is clearly something fundamentally wrong with the management of SL when they can allow this to happen. All they need is a backup system for the inventory and some cooling off period to allow something like this to be rectified. As for L$ vanishing, they have no excuse for this and sound like callous money grabbers. 
  

&#160;On their website main page they show a happy couple and imply that they really care about people but deleting a person's inventory doesn't match up to this. The management of SL may well be very nice people but actions count and injustices should be addressed. 

Its clear that SL has some problems as I've transferred objects to friends before and seen them vanish into the ether but never imagined that a whole inventory could be so easily wiped out.
  

&#160;Its scary for everyone, not just businesses.

Mal
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Quibius</p>
<p>Thank you very much for sharing this incredulous event with us although I&#8217;m amazed you can sound so calm and rational about it.</p>
<p>There is clearly something fundamentally wrong with the management of SL when they can allow this to happen. All they need is a backup system for the inventory and some cooling off period to allow something like this to be rectified. As for L$ vanishing, they have no excuse for this and sound like callous money grabbers. </p>
<p>&nbsp;On their website main page they show a happy couple and imply that they really care about people but deleting a person&#8217;s inventory doesn&#8217;t match up to this. The management of SL may well be very nice people but actions count and injustices should be addressed. </p>
<p>Its clear that SL has some problems as I&#8217;ve transferred objects to friends before and seen them vanish into the ether but never imagined that a whole inventory could be so easily wiped out.</p>
<p>&nbsp;Its scary for everyone, not just businesses.</p>
<p>Mal<br />
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